Scotsman - here's the "Master Plan" the org announced 18 months ago.
The Fall Guy
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Hello from Scotland - it has been ages....
by The Scotsman inwell how the devil is everyone?
i have not been here for a long time........totally lost track of what is going on in jw land, apart from the little bits i hear from family members still in.
(they say everything is swell and that armageddon is just round the corner).... :).was hearing that anniesland congregation in glasgow has been (or is about to be) disbanded.
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UK - please post names of congregations being disbanded/merged
by truthseeker ini will soon be done with my jw charity analysis project.
can we make this an official thread for uk congregations being merged/disbanded so i can update the list.
i will post the results when finished.. truthseeker.
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The Fall Guy
Official confirmation - Ardrishaig KH on the west coast of Scotland was sold off 6 months ago and the congregation merged with the Oban congregation.
Instead of a 6-7 minute drive, the local J.W.'s now have to drive for 1 hour 7 minutes to get to Oban if they want to sit in a KH. Seems they were temporarily provided with a video-link.
How to encourage and strengthen the flock!
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UK - please post names of congregations being disbanded/merged
by truthseeker ini will soon be done with my jw charity analysis project.
can we make this an official thread for uk congregations being merged/disbanded so i can update the list.
i will post the results when finished.. truthseeker.
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The Fall Guy
Oban KH is a helluva arduous drive from Lochgilphead/Ardrishaig - and especially precarious in the wintertime!
Maybe they've been "merged" with Campbeltown. Just as bad.
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Hello from Scotland - it has been ages....
by The Scotsman inwell how the devil is everyone?
i have not been here for a long time........totally lost track of what is going on in jw land, apart from the little bits i hear from family members still in.
(they say everything is swell and that armageddon is just round the corner).... :).was hearing that anniesland congregation in glasgow has been (or is about to be) disbanded.
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The Fall Guy
@ SlidinFast - last I heard, (several years ago) one of the Greenlees male offspring had "turned apostate." Encouraging to hear that such a person could leave the cult.
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Avoiding Service Tips?
by Kohanic inback again!.
so as i'm still pimo and living under my parent's roof, how can i get out of service?
cause i really don't want to go and i feel dirty just knowing i could be influencing someone into this garbage..
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The Fall Guy
Just stopping, without saying anything against the org or its teachings is your only alternative to doing a minimal amount of recruiting time.
If you can fade, then prepare the "conversation stopper" reply for your parents and the elders when they try to "help" you:
"I have personal & private issues which I have to meditate and pray on. They're not things I can discuss with anyone at the moment, but thanks for your concern. I'm sure you'll respect my need for privacy."
I wish you as little stress as possible, whatever choice is best for you.
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QFR - Posting JW publications on a personal website/social media
by Listener inthe following is a qfr from the april, 2018 watchtower.
just a couple of articles back the organization was explaining how jws need to be encouraging and even when admonishing congregations jesus would start out with encouraging words.
we see none of this in the qfr, rather, it is heavy handed and legally incorrect.. why is it not permissible to post publications of jehovah’s witnesses on a personal website or on social media?.
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The Fall Guy
@ Punk - and selfies of course!
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The Guardian: Estimated 20,000 British men interested in sexually abusing children
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/29/estimated-20000-british-men-interested-in-sexually-abusing-children-police-chief-says.
police chief simon bailey says even thousands more detectives would not be enough to bring every offender to justice.
vikram dodd police and crime correspondent.
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The Fall Guy
Clearly, present legal penalties are not severe enough in many countries to act as a deterrent for such sick and perverted crimes.
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The Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses of Namibia and legal problems
by TerryWalstrom inthe christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses of namibia has asserted its right to be exempt as an "employer" for purposes of payment to those who work on its behalf, nor are they responsible (they claim) for filing any social security documents as to wages, hours worked, withholding, etc.in 2014, the congregation asked to be de-registered as such.____it didn't go so well.____on the 16 june 2014, authorities replied to the jw's request by confirming that the appellant is considered an employer in terms of the ss act and consequently should be registered with the employees’ compensation fund established by the employees’ compensation act, 1941, as well as having the order register its members with the maternity, sick leave and death benefit established by the ss act___a ping-pong protest and response commenced with multiple requests for clarification by the dubs and protestations and requests for appeal, etc.____authorities decided this matter was best handled by visiting the premises and investigating for themselves what goes on.____after the "visit" by authorities, nothing was offered by the dubs to change any minds.___the jw's continued to whine and protest and appeal, etc.____the authorities examined the congregation's appeal and made the following evaluation:== in the respondent’s listed grounds of opposition, it noted that the appeal filed by the appellant is not proper as it failed to complete the form 11 as contemplated in rule 17(2)(a) of the rules of this court==___jw's protested and appealed the appeal response which didn't appeal to them.___arguments continued until the following finding was released:the labour amendment act stipulates that:18 ‘for the purposes of this act or any other employment law, until the contrary is proved, an individual who works for or renders services to any other person, is presumed to be an employee of that other person, regardless of the form of the contract or the designation of the individual, if any one or more of the following factors is present:(list of factors attached)____blah-blah-blah-blahfinally:the ss act does not provide for de-registration of employers.
accordingly, logic follows that once an employer has been registered under this act, the obligations created in terms of this act ceases to exist only where the employer (who is a natural person) dies or becomes insolvent or is sequestrated or is liquidated or wound up (where an employer is a juristic person).
employees may be ‘de-registered’ under that employer in the event they die or their services have been terminated._______cut to the chase:accordingly, the appellant cannot pick and choose which laws should apply to them and which not.
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The Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses of Namibia and legal problems
by TerryWalstrom inthe christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses of namibia has asserted its right to be exempt as an "employer" for purposes of payment to those who work on its behalf, nor are they responsible (they claim) for filing any social security documents as to wages, hours worked, withholding, etc.in 2014, the congregation asked to be de-registered as such.____it didn't go so well.____on the 16 june 2014, authorities replied to the jw's request by confirming that the appellant is considered an employer in terms of the ss act and consequently should be registered with the employees’ compensation fund established by the employees’ compensation act, 1941, as well as having the order register its members with the maternity, sick leave and death benefit established by the ss act___a ping-pong protest and response commenced with multiple requests for clarification by the dubs and protestations and requests for appeal, etc.____authorities decided this matter was best handled by visiting the premises and investigating for themselves what goes on.____after the "visit" by authorities, nothing was offered by the dubs to change any minds.___the jw's continued to whine and protest and appeal, etc.____the authorities examined the congregation's appeal and made the following evaluation:== in the respondent’s listed grounds of opposition, it noted that the appeal filed by the appellant is not proper as it failed to complete the form 11 as contemplated in rule 17(2)(a) of the rules of this court==___jw's protested and appealed the appeal response which didn't appeal to them.___arguments continued until the following finding was released:the labour amendment act stipulates that:18 ‘for the purposes of this act or any other employment law, until the contrary is proved, an individual who works for or renders services to any other person, is presumed to be an employee of that other person, regardless of the form of the contract or the designation of the individual, if any one or more of the following factors is present:(list of factors attached)____blah-blah-blah-blahfinally:the ss act does not provide for de-registration of employers.
accordingly, logic follows that once an employer has been registered under this act, the obligations created in terms of this act ceases to exist only where the employer (who is a natural person) dies or becomes insolvent or is sequestrated or is liquidated or wound up (where an employer is a juristic person).
employees may be ‘de-registered’ under that employer in the event they die or their services have been terminated._______cut to the chase:accordingly, the appellant cannot pick and choose which laws should apply to them and which not.
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The Fall Guy
Thanks Terry & Earnest.
The JW lawyers in Namibia must have earned their diplomas at the University of Slobovia, because no one with an I.Q. of 15 would have dreamt the cult's "arguments" could possibly contend with any of the following legal points:
[34] The Labour Amendment Act stipulates that:
‘For the purposes of this Act or any other employment law, until the contrary is proved, an individual who works for or renders services to any other person, is presumed to be an employee of that other person, regardless of the form of the contract or the designation of the individual, if any one or more of the following factors is present:
(a) the manner in which the individual works is subject to the control or direction of that other person;
(b) the individual’s hours of work are subject to the control or direction of that other person;
(c) in the case of an individual who works for an organisation, the individual’s work forms an integral part of the organisation;
(d) the individual has worked for that other person for an average of at least 20 hours per month over the past three months;
(e) the individual is economically dependent on that person for whom he or she works or renders services;
(f) the individual is provided with tools of trade or work equipment by that other person;
(g) the individual only works for or renders services to that other person;
See what happens when you don't get a higher education - comprehensively humiliated!
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Resurrection to Heaven
by Lost in the fog inct russell said the dead would be resurrected to heaven from 1874-1881.. then the judge decided that it was not 1874/5 for the return of christ but 1914, so moving the heavenly resurrection forward to be from 1914-1918.. in truth nobody knows when it happens or happened.
just because the watchtower leadership says something in the printed word doesn't mean that it is true.
zion's watchtower 1881, january.
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The Fall Guy
Lost in the fog - ask JW's exactly when the "last day" is/was scheduled for, and also for Bible proof of their timeline/chronology.
(John 6:39, 40, 44, 54)
39......but that I should resurrect them on the last day.
40.......and I will resurrect him on the last day.”
44.......and I will resurrect him on the last day.
54........and I will resurrect him on the last day."
(John 11:24) ".....Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day."